WW1 Podcast with Paul Reed
Returning to the History of the First World War we find on our doorsteps, we visit Shorncliffe in Kent to record an episode onsite. Here during the Great War were an Army Garrison, along with a major training centre. We discover the important role of the Canadians at Shorncliffe, the men of the Chinese Labour Corps who had their camp here, and also discuss the first Gotha Bomber raid on Britain by the Germans in 1917.
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Thanks for an interesting listen. The full Doogan story has many layers to it, well worth checking out. CWGC volunteers run tours of the cemetery as do one or two local historians; the Shorncliffe Trust offers tours of the remains of the redoubt, training area and cemetery.
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Thanks for this – will have to look out for the tours!
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Anytime you would like a tour of the Cemetery just let me know. All tours are free. They vary in length. Cover the different nationalities buried there in WW1, Americans, Serbs, etc. Hidden grave from 1934. The graves no longer there. The first Canadian VC at Shorncliffe, the listgoes on.
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Thanks, Peter!
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Really enjoyed this Paul thank you
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Thanks!
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As it is Chinese New Year. For part of the First World War the Biship of Hunan, China was a Canadian Soldier at Shorncliffe. He took part in the ceremony to consecrate part of the main CWGC Section.āA Dean of Shanghai’s ashes were scattered in the cemetery after WW2.
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Private Fred Wykes, (Great Uncle Fred) 60th Battalion CEF spent time at Shorncliffe before being shipped to France and Belgium and was killed by a sniper on 21st April 1916
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Gosh, amazing to think so many Canadians passed through there.
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You would be amazed about the number of Americans who passed through Shorncliffe.
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Really interesting thanks Paul.āIs it Lympne (pronounced Lim) you reference at around 28 mins in? Cheers.
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Yes, I was forgetting local pronunciations are just as complex here as when I was in Yorkshire!
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Thanks again for the Canadian content, Paul. Shorncliffe Cemetery houses more fascinating stories from The Great War. The collateral damage of the war is on displayed here along with the multitude of interlinked lives that met in a lessor known cemetery on the Channel Coast. BurkešØš¦
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Thanks, Burke.
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Just a little bit about one of them. May Arnold is buried in the cemetery. Killed in the air raid in May 1917. Buried in the Cemetery because she was married to a Canadian soldier. Her husband was an American who joined the CEF. He was shot at dawn in 1916.
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Thanks for another great episode, Paul. Always so interested to hear the stories of our Canadians. I canāt imagine the heartache of losing a 17 year old son. We will remember them. šØš¦
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Thanks, Jan.
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Thanks for a fascinating podcast Paul. I was drawn to Pte Doogan’s story because I will be visiting the battlefield where he won his VC next month (Laings Nek) on a guided Boer War battlefield trip. While there is sadness in the loss of his two sons he seems to have lived a full and to a degree a colourful life. He had 10 children in all and was an innocent party to a bigamous marriage! Also, Major Brownlow, the officer whose life he saved at Laings Nek, thereby winning his VC, left him an annuity of Ā£20 per year. Not a life changing amount though as according to the Wikipedia entry it was worth Ā£600 in 2005.
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Thanks for that fascinating extra detail, Stephen!
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Really enjoyed the podcast, having visited the barrack at Shorncliff, St Martinās Plain and Sir John Moor Barracks numerous times. Regrettably I did not visit the cemetery at Shorncliff and really wish I had having listened to your really interesting podcast.
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Thanks, Ian. Hope you get to visit it next time!
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Great idea to do some visits in the UK.
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Paul,
Thanks forāthe interesting account of the Gotha Bombers.āWhile the battles in the trenches were strictly military conflicts between proper soldiers, the air raids were meant to kill civilians as well, against conventions -and served as a pointer to future wars (e.g. current times!) where the common man would be equally vulnerable.
Vij
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When I was researching the WW1 career of my G.G. Grandfather who was in 1st Bttn East Kent Regiment, I recall the war diary states that news of the Gotha raid on Folkestone reached the men and a retaliatory trench raid was carried out.
Carlos
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